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taxes2 by mrddixon taxes2 by mrddixon
who is most able to spend your money? who has yer best interests in mind? who can best determine the best way to allocate yer own money? you or people you have never met?

its YOUr labor its YOUR money. dont let anyone sucker you ihto a deal where you have to pay whatever they decide in exchange for whatever they decide to offer.
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KidSapiens Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2012
My labor? What labor? I'm 16.

Without taxes. I would have been dead a long time ago.

Mostly because I don't even know how to light a basic wilderness fire.
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"its YOUr labor its YOUR money." I agree, that's why we should stop business owners from taking our surplus value too! why stop at taxes?
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2012
idk rabbit with a business i can shop around and decide on my own if a price is worth paying. i mean, its not that i dont agree with what yer saying. if i think a business is getting to greedy and asking for too much money for a product i will take my business elsewhere.
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
By Surplus value, I'm referring to the value from a product or service not paid to those who created it, and instead counted as "profit." Assuming workers got paid equal to what they produced, there would be no "profit" left over. One could argue that the person who owned the factory or machinery, building etc. contributed to the value of that good or service by providing the factory or machinery etc. but continuing with the idea of getting compensated equal to what one contributes, one would break even with the cost of their investment. Profit was described by various economists during the 19th century to be equivalent to a tribute paid for protection to a crime syndicate for being simply being in "their" territory under the threat of violence (in the case of legal companies, state violence).
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2012
im not sure if im following you: how is profit like a gangster protection racket?
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Labor is continues input for continues gain. Providing capital is finite contribution, but gets a continues gain in the form of profit. That money has to come from somewhere, it's the money not paid to the laborers for the value they created. They are essentially paying a tribute for this capital, if they don't they get threatened with force, usually through the state and legal system. Here's an entertaining comic that explains the concept [link]
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2012
im not quite getting where the threats of force come in. doesnt the worker agree to his compensation?
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The laborer doesn't have to agree, he works or he starves, looses his house, can't pay for medicine etc. Wage slavery, or starvation because the usury of his surplus value is protected by law.
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2012
when you say "he works or he starves" do you mean "work for a capitalist" or "work" in general? i mean, i dont see anything wrong with having to work for yer own food and housing, i certainly dont think its fair for someone else to have to do it.

rabbit i swear to god everytime i try to reply to this something comes up. i had some other shit to ask but ill leave it at this for now
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PurplePhoneixStar Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice work. While taxes are important, I think it is important they be used properly. Like maybe fixing roads or things like that not wars that are Big Oil's faux crusade.
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2012
i hear that, purplephoneix. and that why im so against taxes. it forces me to pay for things i am morally opposed to, like all these fucking wars
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
taxes are the price of a fully functioning society. the government is us.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
If only!
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2012
idk bout that. if its true that the government is us , than i am bombing countries, imprisoning people without trials and using violence against peaceful people.

thats not me. by evidence, im not doing any of that and morally, im opposed to it.

i think its a nice idea that the "government is us" and "we the pepole" and all that, but from a logical point of view, i think government is the people in government.
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2012  Professional General Artist
we all have things that we object to in regard to the government's behavior. sometimes we have more and sometimes less. you have to take a longer view of things to appreciate that taxes make this all happen. elected officials come and go, and their whims come and go with them. the only thing that is constant is the will of the people to elect people who fight for the issues important to their constituency. this accumulated in time periods much longer than the patience of most citizens. the government tide sways from one end of the political spectrum to the other over a span of 15 to 20 years, and while your taxes may support objectional measures now, they will support agreeable measures later. i felt the same as you did during the bush years for 2 reasons: 1) i was utterly opposed to the bush administration and their warmongering 2) i was too young and impatient to appreciate that right around the corner, my taxes would be supporting an administration i agree with totally along with a political agenda i fully support. these things happen back and forth forever, but as Americans it is our duty to pay our taxes. the majority of your taxes go to sustaining the status quo in regard to quality of life, not radical or extreme government intrusion. yes, this sometimes happens, but never enough to push us to either extreme ultimately and fatally. as much as you are irritated by your taxes going to things you object to, i am equally irritated by people who refure to pay their takes because the government doesn't mirror their own ideals. the government will never mirror your ideals, but it will always mirror the ideals of the cumulative and collective American people.
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2012
"as much as you are irritated by your taxes going to things you object to, i am equally irritated by people who refure to pay their takes because the government doesn't mirror their own ideals."

the difference between my irratation and yours is that you support people with guns who will threaten me if i dont pay taxes. i will do nothing, and be opposed to, any violence in yer direction for yer opinion.
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
i never said that. i believe that if you don't want to pay your taxes all you have to do is forfeit your usage of anything funded by taxes. no public roads, no public schools, no fire department or police, no hospitals or colleges. and most of all NO MONEY, since all US currency is backed by taxation. basically placing libertarians in their dream existence....a pre-industrial revolution bucolic nightmare where the average life span is 40 and the infant mortality rate is 50%. the violence will be slow and self-inflicted, and i will have nothing to do with it.
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2012
thats actually quite a "libertarian" idea, mountainmortal. would you also suggest that government not use violence against anyone who tries to compete with them?
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RhetoricHaystack Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Professional General Artist
what do you mean by compete?
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mrddixon Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012
to provide the same service or product. coke vrs pepsi, for example
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MiSt-Stavi Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
great work!!
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